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No Terms. No Conditions

by bayneri177436788475 comments
I like how, even when the whole point is to not have any terms or conditions, there are still disclaimers. "Only for lawful purposes," "no warranty," "we are not responsible."

Those are still terms and conditions!

by CobrastanJorji1774372274
I wonder how many one-sentence prompts have made it to the HN front page at this point.
by Retr0id1774371654
> By accessing or using this site, you acknowledge and accept the following terms.

I’m pretty sure this is already questionable in the EU.

by layer81774374093
A similar one I made a while back, inspired by South Park's disclaimer before each episode: https://github.com/jmrossy/south-park-license
by canacrypto1774379598
Comedically, this doesn't load from my IP address in the Russian Federation. (HN does.)
by johnplatte1774368288
Remember when people started using WTFPL because it "sounded good", only to later find out it left them and their users legally liable? This is that but for websites.
by 0xbadcafebee1774379659
No alarms, no surprises
by tech_jabroni1774372049
Schrödingers terms and conditions
by tosti1774369637
The URL basically nulls the license agreement.
by amelius1774376831
by 1774369505
I know this is mostly parody, but I'm curious if anyone has good starter templates for something that covers the general stuff and doesn't require a lawyer to customize
by jborichevskiy1774373279
amazing how such a simple website lags to scroll on my phone
by the_axiom1774380852
> Access is not conditioned on approval.

The Zen Koan of T&C's.

by gnfargbl1774370351
by 1774370368
goes without saying

that this site definitely

does not, legally

by catlifeonmars1774372562
Hope this slop doesn’t get anyone into trouble.

  Last updated: never
  No further pages. No hidden clauses.
Not sure “last updated=never” works, but I don’t make terms and conditions websites.
by Barbing1774370695
This does not read like it was written by a professional. Non-professionals writing licenses and T&Cs cause problems because no organization, for profit or not, wants to be dragged into court to get a "common sense" definition of a word or comma defined, at their expense.

I've heard of large organizations reaching out to places who use amateur T&Cs and licenses, saying "if we give you $X, can you dual license this as MIT, Apache, BSD, or hell anything standard?".

> Access is not conditioned on approval

Is this obvious enough legalese to not waste tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees if you get sued?

Note before you reply: I will not argue with you about how obvious it is. If you are actually a lawyer then it'd be interesting to hear your guidance, which I very much understand is not legal advice. If you're not a lawyer then I'm not.

by knorker1774371357
No further update.
by self-portrait1774373445
Just today I asked an LLM:

"Often one generation values things much more than others. Boomers and their wristwatches. One generation is like 'only from my cold dead hands,' the others 'what would I even need this for?!' What are examples of things the youngest generation did away with?"

If OP were a checklist, the answer would have checked every point.

by weinzierl1774371830
Is that useful for anything?
by shevy-java1774374282
i do wonder if the world would be a better place if instead of lawyers we had cage matches
by modzu1774377578
hugged to death
by badrequest1774368307
Last updated: never lol
by steveharing11774371033
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by suoer1774372906
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by riteshyadav021774370752
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by iamnotai6661774372561
brilliant !
by ayakut1774368610