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Polis: Open-source platform for large-scale civic deliberation

by mefengl177092060028 comments
What are some strategies a platform like this can take against spam or influence bots? Tying real life identities to users would certainly limit that(though identity theft and account selling could still happen), but that adds friction to joining, poses security risks, and many people might feel less comfortable putting their opinions openly online where backlash could impact real life.
by goda901770928863
The x.com/twitter "Community Notes" feature is based on this algorithm, BTW.

(Disclaimer: I'm on the board of the org that runs Polis.)

by jph001770929295
Man the name really threw me for a minute. Polis is the correct spelling for police in my native Swedish and I got through the first 2 paragraphs wondering what any of this has to do with law enforcement.

Then it dawned on me.

Edit to add: I think the white and blue theme helps. Those are police colours in Sweden...

by amarant1770924793
Are there any details on how they managed organised bad actors?

The moderation stuff seems targeted mostly on keeping a lid on trolls and tempers.

by Lerc1770934950
Interesting, but how's it work out when people believe in "alternative facts"? That seems to be a pretty big problem in many places.

I think I can find some common ground with people who have different views on corporate taxation if we both go over some data and economics and think about it and consider various tradeoffs. Especially if we chat face to face to avoid any 'keyboard warrior' effects.

I probably can't find much common ground with people that believe that condensed water vapor formed by the passage of airplanes is actually a mind control device from the planet Zargon.

by davidw1770924046
This is incredibly cool tech built on an idea of participatory, consensus-building democracy that I want to believe is possible and sustainable.
by jamesbelchamber1770929313
The Taiwan experiments were pretty interesting! for example https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/27/taiwan-civic-h...
by laurex1770926891
How does it defend against corruption by the folks operating it? I'm especially thinking of biased seed statements, source bias, and burial of important items in irrelevant gublish.
by dsr_1770930871
These are the genre of consensus tools I would like to see used in SM. Just imagine: a system that actually helps people exchange atomic, clear arguments and come to an informed consensus.

The internet could have really been a great tool to bring humanity together, if it was structured in that way for the common good. Instead we get SM where mud-battles and the resulting polarization are part of the perverse business model: engagement drives revenue, and there's no better way to keep people engaged than with a loop of extreme emotions and comments shouting the same shallow arguments at each other all over again without any meaningful progress.

Only imagine how quiet those platforms would become if discussions were actually structured for consensus instead of dissensus. I mean, yeah, a huge win for society - but a big loss of money, distraction and control for Elon, Zuckerberg and their BS billionaire friends.

by mentalgear1770926211
> Building on a foundation of simple but solid statistical algorithms from a decade ago

I wonder what algorithms they are talking about? Can't find any papers referenced :(

Looking at the clustering code it looks like they are using kd-trees with knn. Old skool!

by cpill1770927880
Damn you governor polish! /s

Jokes aside, this looks interesting. I have my doubts about the grandiosity of the claims re: helping entire "cities, states, or even countries find common ground on complex issues," but I'm somewhat captivated by the idea of using it for local issues in cities or small towns like mine.

by nozzlegear1770926724
Cool. Deploying ClawBot(s)... 3.. ?... 1
by Bloating1770929927
I don't understand the utility of this. Maybe it works for things like noise ordinances, but I can't imagine finding common ground with people who want me dead or imprisoned simply for existing.
by sapphicsnail1770927785